Before Amy Joan Schneider's Children Were Abducted By Karen Coates on August 28, 2002, They Had Never Been to Her San Angelo, Texas Home
Published on March 25, 2005 By trueandfree In Politics

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THE FACTS, PROOF AND LIES IN THE AMY JOAN SCHNEIDER CASE

The last piece on the Schneider Story was about Karen Coates, the guardian of the two children involved and Amy Joan's sister.



Rather than take the time to deconstruct and reconstruct this response piece, I have decided to let Amy Joan Schneider's words speak for themselves with the following disclaimers: I have not verified what Amy Joan has written here, but will do so if asked. The only "edits" I have done to Amy Joan's response has been formatting for the blog and some minor spelling. What few editorial comments I have inserted will be [bracketed and italicized]. Lastly, I do have a packet of information coming from Karen Coates that I will make relevant portions of available.


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By Amy Joan Schneider

AND NOW THE FACTS, PROOF AND LIES IN THE SCHNEIDER CASE


The Lies:
Karen: “temporary custody of the children was originally asked for in hopes that Amy and/or the father (Mark Sliney) might resume custody when they were capable of doing so…”
Christine would not allow Amy Joan to have her own children back after she gained Amy Joan’s confidence. Christine did not have children and simply kept Amy Joan’s children.

Matt Hurley writes: [I don't think either side can really prove their case on this point.]
Karen: because Amy wasn't involved in the kids' lives at all after 1995. She told me personally in July 2001 that 'If Christine dies, I don't want the kids back.'
A lie, this is how Karen operates, "He said...She said...” Amy Joan has denied the above allegation made by Karen. Again, there is no proof to support Karen’s derogatory claim against the Mother Amy Joan.

Matt Hurley writes: In 1995, the children became eligible for child support in the state of Washington. Mark has apparently been paying back child support, but the state of Washington had given up on locating Amy because she had, according to Karen, "vanished and hid from her family until 2001."

Amy Joan's response: It is an uncontroverted fact that Amy Joan has owned and operated her own photography business for the past 14 years. Amy Joan has corresponded on her letterhead and has run a business ad in THE YELLOW PAGES each and every year, how could it be true that Amy Joan “VANISHED AND HID FROM HER FAMILY UNTIL 2001”? A Lie!
Also, records show, and there is no dispute, that Christine and Benito collected Forty-Nine Thousand Dollars ($49,000.00) in Public Aid from the State of Washington for Amy Joan’s two children.

Karen: “Why are we spending money to protect the children from their mentally unstable mother? Because it is exactly what Christine would have wanted me to do.”

Amy Joan responds: Again, where is Karen’s proof that the Mother is mentally unstable. Amy Joan has provided a letter from an Illinois medical Doctor of Psychiatry which concluded that Amy Joan “is not unfit to parent her children.”

Matt Hurley writes: I think we have to question the "money" motive of both sides of this case.
If you remember, the Court found that Amy Joan Schneider did not express interest in her two children until she became aware of the trust fund established in their names.

Matt Hurley writes: [I'm not real sure that Amy Joan phrased that last paragraph correctly, perhaps she will clarify. It isn't a pull quote from my story, so the words are hers. And I don't recall ANYBODY saying that the Court found anything about when Amy Joan expressed interest in the custody of her children.]

Now in Karen’s own words, my proof that Karen is lying, the trial Court was factually wrong, and the Fourth District Court was factually wrong:
Karen Coates’ January 14, 2003 sworn deposition testimony starting at p. 28, line 19:

Q: And were there any discussions with Amy regarding the kids in the fall of 2001.
A: …during that telephone conversation, she began questioning whether or not the children should, you know, be in Seattle with Benito because he was not a blood relative. And I said, oh, please, you know, don’t start anything now. They just lost Christine. Don’t – I said, please, just, you know, leave them be…

Karen’s sworn testimony, which was in the record, proves that the prevailing story regarding Amy Joan Schneider responding only to “the money” is yet another BIG LIE.

Matt Hurley writes: In a number of the press releases that Amy has published, she states that she has had motions denied and witnesses that haven't been allowed to testify. Karen sheds some light on this situation: “there hasn't been an evidentiary hearing on the case since January 2003.”
Again, a lie.

Amy Joan responds: On October 30, 2003 and December 4, 2003 evidentiary hearings were held before Associate Judge Scott Diamond (Diamond works for Webber) on Benito, Dan, and Karen’s Motions. Judge Diamond granted their motions on December 5, 2003. Benito, Dan, and Karen were not present but they still won.

On February 17, 2004 an evidentiary hearing was held before Judge Webber. He granted the motion in their favor. Benito, Dan, and Karen were not present but they still won.

On June 11, 2004 Judge Albert G. Webber IV held an EVIDENTIARY hearing in his court on Benito DiTerlizzi’s Motion To Suspend [Amy Joan Schneider’s] Visitation. Again, Dan, Benito and Karen did not attend the June 11, 2004 evidentiary hearing but they still won.

On June 15, 2004 Judge Albert G. Webber IV GRANTED Benito DiTerlizzi’s motion and SUSPENDED the Mother Amy Joan Schneider’s visitation with her two Caucasian children who are being held in Texas by Dan and Karen Coates. I have copies of the motions if you want to see them.

The Macon County Illinois Court system was so corrupt that Karen Coates was able to foretell the eventual June 11, 2004 evidentiary hearing outcome regarding the Mother’s “visitation” with her children—18 months before it occurred. With hundreds of thousands of dollars spent, Karen’s prolific forecast was part of the record on January 14, 2003, in her sworn deposition.

Karen’s January 14, 2003 sworn deposition testimony this is what Karen had to say about “their mentally unstable mother”: “(Mother) Amy (Joan Schneider) is capable—a capable parent of Hailey and Eros” (African American) but that “I don’t think she should have regular visitation” with Kaela and Josh (Caucasian). Karen also testified, “I personally don’t believe that she should have more than one week of visitation. I personally prefer she have no court ordered visitation.”

ON JUNE 15, 2004, JUDGE WEBBER GRANTED KAREN’S MOTION AND SUSPENDED ALL VISITATION BETWEEN AMY JOAN SCHNEIDER AND HER TWO CAUCASIAN CHILDREN.

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Matt Hurley wrote: "And I don't recall ANYBODY saying that the Court found anything about when Amy Joan expressed interest in the custody of her children."
In response Amy Joan Schneider answers as follows:

My petition to terminate the guardianship was filed on August 28, 2002.

Paragraph16 of Associate Judge Scott B. Diamond's April 2, 2003 order:
“Amy Schneider filed a petition to terminate the guardianship. This was after she learned that Christine De Terlizzi had left a trust for the two children with about $550,000.00 in it.”

There have been direct allegations that I did not try to get my kids back until I found out about the trust fund. This is a very important point because Karen’s own sworn testimony shows that is wrong.

Karen's January 14, 2003 sworn deposition testimony, p. 37, line 15:

But Amy and I did talk about it. There was a day … August 14, I believe, about 5:45 in the afternoon, I had a conversation with her on my cell phone … when I talked with her on August 14, she – that was the first time that she said that she wanted to be considered … for guardianship of the children.


According to the Fourth District Appellate Court’s Opinion, Karen has a $600,000.00 incentive to keep the Mother Amy Joan Schneider’s children in HER home and serve as guardian:
Illinois Fourth District Appellate Court's March 30, 2004 Opinion:
…On August 17,2001, Christine died, leaving Benito as the sole guardian of K.E.S. and J.M.S. Christine's will named her other sister, Karen Coates, as the successor guardian of K.E.S. and J.M.S. in the event Benito was unable or unwilling to care for the children. The will also named Karen as successor trustee of a "$5-600,000.00" trust (estimates varied) established for the children's care if she were to become guardian

The whole thing is sadistic in a way. This incentive to Karen is the bottom line on the money controversy.

Under Illinois law, Karen should not be able to compete with any parent as long as the natural parent is willing and able:

Whether a nonparent petitioner may have the ability to provide a better environment for the child is not a factor to be considered where standing is in issue so long as the presumption that the natural parent is willing and able to care for the child remains unrebutted. In re Estate of Johnson, 284 Ill. App.3d 1080 (1996).

This is good law but was not considered. I did not have a petition to be named guardian pending at the time the trial court entered its order. The Appeals court only looked at my Petition to Terminate Guardianship and therefore applied the “change in circumstances" standard. Now I do have a petition to be named guardian. The question now is “whether or not Amy Joan Schneider is willing and able to care for the child.”






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on Apr 08, 2005
I think you need a good reason to take someones children. For those of us who are imperfect, we are the most exposed to any Malfeasance by the courts.
on May 10, 2005
The interesting question here is the reason that the kids were not with their Mom in the first place. There has to be two sides to this story. We are all up in arms about an apparent misjustice and I am tempted to start fund raising to help Mom fight to get her kids back. I think there is an argument that IL courts are flat ignoring US Supreme Court rulings that are controlling law here. Where is the parent advocacy groups that could step in and take on the fight for Amy? There are highly competent orgs out there to help Mom fight this. I guess I am questioning the simplicity of the facts given the lack of advocacy for Amy. If all the facts are as presented, let's start the fund raiser.
on Jun 22, 2005
Dollardan must live in a tree. Wake up, this stuff with corruption in the courts is all over the country. Kid stealing is big business and the courts and lawyers all make a lot of money. $250.000.00 spent on this case to keep this woman's kids is ridiculous and you can bet there is wholesale misconduct. My wife found this Schneider case and we have followed it on and off every since. Albert Webber will eventually be stopped, just like every other bigoted, racist butt-hole ruining peoples lives for hate and money. The fact that it can all happen so openly is the scary part. In Illinois the Supreme Court appoints judges and then it seems they can do no wrong. We have actually considered contributing money to a fund raiser for this Mother.
on Jul 03, 2005
I am new to this and I do not know what "MSM" stands for, thanks
on Jul 03, 2005
I am an only child who lost his mother in Macon County Probate Court. She entered a nursing home walking, talking, eating and going to the bathroom by herself. She ate breakfast out daily and was enjoyed by freinds before admission. She was drugged with an anti-psychotic and given "the right to refuse to eat". Despite pleas for a second opinion by certified mail with receipt to both the guardian ad litum and the judge, she got nothing but agony from her funds. In 5 weeks,l Mom lost 20# and all abilities. She couldn't testify on her behalf at the guardianship hearing.

I was thrown out of the facility for taking pictures of Mom. My mother did name me as executor of her will, but that was "hearsay" according to the ruling legacy of attorneys in Macon County.

Oh, and by the way, there are funds missing. Would you have guessed?

Oh, and this pales the Terri Shiavo case. Mother was entitled to protections as a ward of the state. They took her and didn't protect her. Wards are entitled to special procedures before cessation of life-sustaining treatment. Appropriate measures and forms completed. All known friends and family members must be contacted by an Office of the Guardian. Didn't happen, This only child objected to no avail. Mother even had 45 Medicare stay days left!

Oh and I wouldn't recommend a Bank & Trust as a financial guardian in Macon County. Somehow Mother's "forgot" to apply for the spousal allowance. Oh, and I wasn't told the Trust officer was affiliated with the other side.
on Jul 05, 2005
am new to this and I do not know what "MSM" stands for, thanks


“MSN” stand for Main Stream Media.
on Nov 23, 2006
Has anyone looked into a case that is very similiar to this one, where STEVE HORVE BUILDERS in Forsyth, Illnois in Macon County also basically stole a little girl from her mother, with his wife ODETTE HORVE? That little girl is in my daughter's class and I feel so sorry for her. Appparently Steve Horve had been married for years to his first wife and they had two sons. Then came along the younger and that time Odette Sams and she and Steve started having an affair, and Steve divorced his first wife who then eventually died of cancer and probaly a broken heart. Anyway, Steve being old enough to be Odette's father really didn't want any more children, but apparently Odette talked him into having one and she wanted a girl. Well, that didn't happen she had a boy and Steve apparently can't or won't have anymore children and so they used their money to go into the Macon County court system and basically steal Odette's sister's little girl and they are flat out mean to her. What is going on in Macon County Illinois? It's just as if children really are for sale there. And where does Odette Sams Horve get off doing all of this I heard she came from nothing before she married Steve, her mom sold cars for a living and they lived in public housing. Wake up Macon County and smell the real roses.
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